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December 26

Newly created article with another title

I recently created Flamingo Boy, a 2018 British children's novel written by Michael Morpurgo. A year later it was published in the states by Macmillan Publishing under the title The Day the World Stopped Turning, which is currently a redirect to Music Played by Humans, due to a single on that album having that name. However, the top search result from Google for "The Day the World Stopped Turning" is from Amazon books (Michael Morpurgo), and the fourth and fifth search results on the first page from Google are from Macmillan Publishing and GoodReads for the book. The single from the album is listed as the eight search result. I wanted to create a redirect for the American book title, but I don't just want to hijack that redirect page. Any advice on what to do, if anything, or should I just not worry about it. Thanks. Isaidnoway (talk) 10:00, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

@Isaidnoway The usual procedure in such cases would be to turn the redirect page into a Wikipedia:Disambiguation page. Read that page for instructions or come back here if you need more help. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:09, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Definitely looks ripe for a DAB. There is also a song by that name on Stackridge's A Victory for Common Sense, a song by that name by Philip Springer as recorded on Johnny Hartman's The Voice That Is!, and a book by Michael Morpurgo. DMacks (talk) 17:58, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

I DABified it. DMacks (talk) 18:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Unknown parameter

Sabancaya has an unknown parameter "|1=" somewhere but I can't find it. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

I've made a change. How's that? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:45, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Thx. Source formatting can make my eyes glaze over. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:49, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

No problem. |1= just means that there is a null parameter. Either |text or ||. Easy to miss. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Image and navbox

The topmost image in the Donald Trump article on the left is of him in his military academy jacket from youth on the left side, however, the image is printing out in a section below the one where it has been edited into the article. This seems to be a navbox/infobox conflict issue, but it seems that there should be a way to cause the image to appear where it is intended to be placed during regular editing. How does one keep the image in place in spite of apparent navbox conflicts? ErnestKrause (talk) 15:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

@ErnestKrause: I used Template:Stack.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 18:26, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

It worked like a charm. Nice editing. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand the point of MOS:CITELEAD

The reason why I don't understand the point of MOS:CITELEAD, is because it's supposed to act as a guideline to not use citations in the lead if the information they would like to source is not mentioned in the body. It says on the article, "Because the lead usually repeats information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material." What I see is editors, including myself (I have just realised as going over the guideline), they put into the lead what was not mentioned in the body. For example, copyediting from another article and or from an infobox if on the page. Most editors don't know this and just add whatever. We all want editors to follow Wikipedia's guidelines, right? So maybe the administrators should maybe do something or someone of a higher rank should do something about this guideline? FeistyRooster (talk) 22:50, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Your first sentence seems to be backwards: if the source is not mentioned in the body , it should be cited in the lead. But as I understand it, there should not normally be any information in the lead which is not in the body (forther up the same page: "Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article.")

As to your last sentence: there is no "someone of a higher rank", and admins as admins have no part in setting policy (though they may be called upon to perform administrative tasks like closing discussion). If you want to open a discussion, you're as qualified to do so as anybody - either at the talk page of the relevant guideline, or at one of the departments of the village pump. ColinFine (talk) 23:04, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks FeistyRooster (talk) 23:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

December 27

Citation format for interviews - citing interviewer

Hi all -- quick question about citation/quote formatting. Appreciate any insights!

I'm using an interview of a subject of an article (Sam Gilliam) as a citation for a fact about an exhibition Gilliam held in New York in 1968. I am not using one of Gilliam's answers in the interview as the source for this detail, but rather one of the interviewer's statements. The interviewer gives details about a work from that 1968 exhibition. Is there a way to properly format an interview citation to show that I'm citing the interviewer rather than the subject, and is it in general OK to use an interview source like this, with the interviewer as the actual source of the information? And relatedly, would it be "correct" to include a bracketed statement of who is speaking if I were to include a quote from the source in the citation? Here's what I'm looking to cite/how I think it would be formatted (quote would probably be shorter), as both a long citation and harvp with a quote:

-Section of article -

• Detail about the exhibition

-Citations-

-References-

• Gilliam, Sam (September 2019). "Sam Gilliam with Tom McGlynn". The Brooklyn Rail (Interview). Interviewed by McGlynn, Tom. OCLC 49309197. Archived from the original on 26 September 2023. Retrieved 11 February 2024.

(I did some major clean-up on the Sam Gilliam article a while back before I really understood the nuances of citing interviews, doing some patching now to add in secondary sources to the few places where I accidentally used an interview as a sole citation.) 19h00s (talk) 02:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Small question

How do I see my edit count to articles only? Is there a script for this? TNM101 (chat) 06:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

@TNM101 there's a simpler way: go to Special:Contributions/TNM101, expand the "Search for contributions" menu, and select the "(article)" namespace. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 06:43, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Alright thanks a lot TNM101 (chat) 06:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I have done as you said, but it seems like it doesn't show the number of edits, which is what I need TNM101 (chat) 07:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Go to Special:Contributions/TNM101, scroll down to the bottom, and select "Edit count" from the links there. Then scroll down to the "Namespace Totals". -- John of Reading (talk) 09:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you TNM101 (chat) 12:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Also, see the "namespace totals" section at [2] for a nice pie chart of your contributions per namespace. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Transclusion

Is there a way to transclude pages cross-wiki? Sangsangaplaz (Talk to me! I'm willing to help) 09:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

@Sangsangaplaz: No, that's not possible. The only exception is that pages at Wikipedia can pick up values from Wikidata. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Sangsangaplaz (Talk to me! I'm willing to help) 09:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Choice of a specific value from Wikidata

Is there a way to chose a specific value when invoking from Wikidata? Lets say I have {{#property:P1843|from=Q206998}} and there are multiple values for that property. How do I chose exact one< Juandev (talk) 09:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

@Juandev General advice at WP:Wikidata#Inserting_Wikidata_values_into_Wikipedia_articles. It gets very technical but to get the "preferred" value of "heath" in your case you would need to use something like {{#invoke:WikidataIB |getPreferredValue |P1843 |qid=Q206998 |fetchwikidata=ALL |onlysourced=false}}, using a Lua module. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Infobox image with casual outfit?

Hello. I am back on the Help Desk, working on the article Glaiza de Castro, with this question:

The current infobox image depicts the subject wearing a somewhat casual (at least for some) outfit. Will the casuality of the outfit of the infobox image affect FA nomination? Because there are no other good alternatives on Wikimedia Commons...

Looking forward to a reply, thanks. Ramkarlo82 (V • T • C) 12:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with that image. There's nothing to worry about. And, TBH, I don't think it even matters at all. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 12:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ramkarlo82 There is nothing in the criteria for featured articles at WP:FACR that would prevent that image being used. At present, the article is only rated as "C", so it has a long way to go. It would be standard practice to nominate it as a good article first. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

images themselves at GA/FA are more judged on if the fair use rationale (also the equivalent free usage as well) is met and if there is enough/too many images and if they have alttext. It's rarely a case of how nice the image is. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:51, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Where can I find data on the circulation and citation rates of these journals?

Hello everyone, where can I find data on circulation and citation rates of journals from this list? Vyacheslav84 (talk) 12:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

It looks like you're looking for assistance for something not directly related to Wikipedia, so this isn't an appropriate question for the Wikipedia Helpdesk. However the Wikipedia:Reference desk may be able to assist. TiggerJay (talk) 05:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! --Vyacheslav84 (talk) 09:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

apostrophes in links - pipe or no?

Consider the sentence the plot was influenced by H. P. Lovecraft's work. On The Staff of Karnath it was originally linked as [[H. P. Lovecraft]]'s and I recently changed it to [[H. P. Lovecraft|H. P. Lovecraft's]] in order to encompass the 's into the link, as I think the entire word should be linked, rather than leave unsightly (IMO) hanging non-linked text on the end of a bluelink.

User Rhain reverted, saying that this shouldn't be done, the apostrophe is not to be linked. I've looked in as many MOS and Help articles as I can, and this doesn't seem to be covered. Plenty of pipe help, but nothing that covers apostrophes being included in a link or not. Both our arguments are based on the same premise - Rhain believes the link to be better and simpler to directly link to "H. P. Lovecraft" which is simpler from a source point of view, but I think it's better to pipe and make the visual aspect better for the reader, as covered by Wikipedia:Linking dos and don'ts - Use piping to fit link text into prose. I think that precedent has been set for appending text to the link in that Wiki already does this - appending any regular text onto the end of a link automatically bluelinks the entire cheeses text even though the link is for cheese singular, just with an "s" on the end. This doesn't work for apostrophes, so a manual method can be used instead. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

To clarify - should it be needed - I think the sentence "the cheeses were Richard Cheese's" is better presented as "the cheeses were Richard Cheese's" for the reader. Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

MOS:PIPESTYLE says Plurals and other derived names. [[apple]]s displays as apples, and this is simpler and clearer than [[apple|apples]]. Similarly: [[appeal]]ing, [[hyperlink]]ed, [[red]]dest. Some characters do not work after the link; see Help:Link for more details. Possessive is similar to plural. Its link to H:WIKILINK includes a possessive example, and the 's is outside of the wikilink brackets. Schazjmd (talk) 15:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I'd missed the possessive example in H:WIKILINK, but ironically Rhain has already noted in his arguments that Help:Link is only a guideline, not a policy. Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

WP:MOS itself is a guideline, not a policy. Schazjmd (talk) 17:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

If there are no clear policy, it would be left to editors' own discretion. In this case, it might be better to ditch 's and use a different wording, something like "the plot was influenced by the work of H. P. Lovecraft." Tutwakhamoe (talk) 15:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I think I prefer this option, but I also still believe (and I've stated this on the talk page) that in the absence of MOS policy, each editor should be free to pursue their own interpretation, so long as it doesn't become disruptive or tendentious. Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:42, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

But isn't you changing [[H. P. Lovecraft]]'s to [[H. P. Lovecraft|H. P. Lovecraft's]] a case of you overriding the previous editor's "own interpretation"? Schazjmd (talk) 17:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but that's true of pretty much any change and revert for the history of an article. The defining factor in that case would be how recent are the changes - in this case the previous editor's "own interpretation" was made in 2015 here, so I'm hardly edit-warring on that count. If you want to go down that route, then isn't Rhain just as guilty of overriding my "own interpretation"? This is the problem when there is no clear MOS. Rhain has said that he thinks it unnecessary complication - so my proposal still stands that why doesn't he just not get involved? Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I know, which is why I said "might be better", it's a personal suggestion in case a consensus can not be reached. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 17:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I tend to think it's just better to reword to avoid such an issue. "The cheese was owned by Richard Cheese" etc. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

question re requests for templates at Wikipedia:Requested templates

hi. is there anyone here who watches the requests at Wikipedia:Requested templates? i have a template for a wikiproject, which i would like to modify. i appreciate any help. pls ping me if you reply. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 15:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

It would seem the best place to raise that issue would be at Template talk:WikiProject History, and perhaps add a note also over at Wikipedia:WikiProject History/Task forces/Modern and Contemporary history task force so they're also aware of the conversation. TiggerJay (talk) 17:43, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

well, i am nominally in charge of both the wikiproject and the task force, so they are already fully briefed. Sm8900 (talk) 20:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I've been framed!

Glancing at my contributions list a big red (−4,881) catches my eye. What? All I remember doing to Neolatino Romance was capitalizing "romance languages" and "vulgar latin" in several places (which my summary reflects). I thought, did I perhaps wipe a section by accident? But that's not it, this edit has various detailed changes that are outside my knowledge, as well as introducing at least three errors in spelling or punctuation.

So what happened? Has this happened to you? —Tamfang (talk) 22:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

@Tamfang: You probably clicked edit while viewing an old revision and made these changes. All later edits are discarded when you edit an old revision. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

In the words of a more prominent American, D'oh! —Tamfang (talk) 02:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

That's a weird article. It's about a language. Its only references are in the lead section, despite recommedations that a lead should summarise the rest of the article and should not normally include references. It offers no evidence that anyone has ever used the language, even in a work of fiction. Maproom (talk) 23:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, it appears to be wholly not-GNG at this point. There does appear to be more information over at Pan-Romance language § Romance Neolatino but is still entirely primary sourced, with no coverage otherwise. Should probably be put up for a redirect. TiggerJay (talk) 05:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

@Tamfang - you were not framed, but probably made an accident while editing. No big deal as someone else already noticed it and reverted the removed information. In the future, I would suggest always reviewing the page after editing to make sure accidents didn't happen, so that you can fix them before other people. I find that I make more of these sorts of mistakes when I edit using a mobile device. It only becomes concerning when this occurs more than once in a while, and again, if you fix it right away, then no harm is really done. TiggerJay (talk) 05:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

It'll be a warm day in Antarctica when I try editing on a mobile. —Tamfang (talk) 08:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Tamfang, I have made over 100,000 edits from sunny California using smartphones, which are just small hand-held computers that work perfectly fine, with a little practice, for editing Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 17:40, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

That's nice. Perhaps your fingers are smaller than mine, or you find it easier to look through a keyhole. —Tamfang (talk) 21:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

December 28

Random Long Wikipedia Talk Page

Hai! :3

I wish to help with archiving talk pages. Is there a script or similar tool that can help to view pages (particularly talk pages) within a certain page length range?

Thanks! - delta (talk) 14:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

See this Quarry report for talk pages. Other items can be found at Special:LongPages. Please be aware that not all talk pages are suitable for archiving and it might not be always about the length of the page why you might want to archive. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:48, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Why is my image making my infobox scale to cover the page?

Adding an image I uploaded to commons into the infobox is making the whole thing scale to cover the entire page. Article is PAM submachine gun Tylermack999 (talk) 20:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

It's fixed, @Tylermack999. In an infobox, in the image field, just put the file name, not the [[File: prefix. Schazjmd (talk) 20:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I see, much thanks! Tylermack999 (talk) 21:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

December 29

Is the article "Andrew Stephen Wilson" good enough to get verified

Hello, I made this article in 26 of November this year and I haven't got a response to it. And I was wondering if someone could review it this article. Thank you. Pupusareawesome (talk) 00:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Do you mean this article Andrew Stephen Wilson @Pupusareawesome? Knitsey (talk) 00:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that one. Pupusareawesome (talk) 00:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

It's been published and is now in the main space. It might not show up in searches for now, it can take a little while. Congratulations! Knitsey (talk) 01:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

oh ok, Thank you @Knitsey Pupusareawesome (talk) 01:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

If you're asking about a peer review, you requested one here Wikipedia:Peer review/Andrew Stephen Wilson/archive1, see he answer below your request. Knitsey (talk) 01:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Please help explaining a statistics presentation issue

I feel I am doing a bad job here and do not know how to do better, so I'm asking for help. At Mexico and White Mexicans, I have noticed @Pob3qu3 in recent additions is averaging (very different) demographic estimates together into one number. I think this is seriously misleading and information-destroying for readers, but I haven't been able to get across why. They're not doing anything wrong, and I don't want to harass or confuse them any further. I appreciate if anyone could take a look. Thanks. Remsense ‥ 论 00:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

You should have brought this up before reverting then yet again, as such you're both violating WP:3R and effectively in an edit war. I'm glad that after they readded the information you did not revert yet a fourth time. I have placed the appropriate warning, and if they readd that "average" again I'd suggest raising it over at ANI for edit warring. TiggerJay (talk) 01:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Why do you think I'm posting this? I'm not in an edit war because I'm done here. Good grief. Remsense ‥ 论 01:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, I think you are correct in your assessment that his calculations are incorrect and have stated as much on his talk page. TiggerJay (talk) 02:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Appreciate the elaboration—I'm just a bit stressed on here and want to extract myself here in the most productive way possible. Remsense ‥ 论 02:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Can’t edit articles with extended confirmed protection

I have over 500 edits and I can’t edit articles with extended confirmed protection. Zabezt (talk) 04:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

@Zabezt: Looking at your user rights log, it appears that your extended confirmed rights were revoked by an admin for gaming the system. This may have to do with your rapid edits to your sandbox. I'd suggest asking the admin in question, JJMC89, for more details. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

General sanctions and page protection

Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 is semi-protected. Yet per the general sanctions put on the page only extended-confirmed users can edit. Is there a reason the article isn't extended confirmed protected instead? Squeezdakat (talk) 05:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

@Squeezdakat: The article has been classified as falling into a contentious topic area (see WP:CT/A-A). It was decided that all articles that could be broadly construed as coming under this topic area would be restricted so that only extended-confirmed users could edit them, detailed at WP:GS/AA#Remedies. It is stated there that articles with the extended confirmed restriction are not required to be extended confirmed protected, but the restriction can be enforced through other means instead. If there is an edit you wish to make to the article, may I suggest you propose it on the talk page (which I see you have already edited) and an EC editor will review your request and make the edit if appropriate. Thank you, Redtree21 (talk) 07:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Squeezdakat (talk) 07:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)